‘I am disappointed with Nurul Izzah’ – A lawyer who posed the question
PETALING JAYA: A lawyer who posed the question on religious freedom to PKR vice-president Nurul Izzah Anwar during a forum last Saturday is disappointed with the politician’s 180 degree turn.
Siti Kasim, a member of the Bar Council human rights committee, said she was disappointed that Nurul had “retracted” her remark.
“I believe Nurul was just trying to impress the people, she didn’t think of the consequences,” she told FMT.
Siti said Nurul should have stood firm on her remark that freedom of religion was a right for all including the Malay-Muslim.
“There’s nothing wrong about it, she is saying the truth. I expected a hoo-ha after that. But as a politician, you just need to stick to the truth,” she added.
She wondered if Nurul was merely adjusting herself to the largely non-Muslim audience on that day and making a political remark.
At the forum titled “Islamic state: Which vision? Whose responsibility?”, Siti asked Nurul whether freedom of religion should be extended to the Malays since the PKR leader talked about the issue in her speech.
Siti said while Nurul did not mention about apostasy in her response, the latter however was a clear supporter of freedom of religion for the Malays.
“In the following days she ‘retracted’ her remark, and said she did not support apostasy. But indirectly when you say you support freedom of religion, and if Malay wants to get out from Islam, that’s apostasy,” she pointed out.
The Orang Asli rights advocate said she once posed the same question to Nurul’s father, Opposition Leader Anwar Ibrahim, but failed to get a direct response.
“He was going around the bush and didn’t answer directly. We want politicians to be straight forward,” she said.
Meanwhile, Siti said it was high time for the issue to be debated as the Federal Constitution did not exclude the Malays from their right to freedom of religion.
She said the individuals who criticised Nurul were the conservatives who insisted that their version of religion was the correct one – FMT
Transcript of Nurul Izzah’s Q&A at forum
AIDCNews – 08/11/12 – Here, Malaysiakini produces the transcript of the event, during the period Nurul Izzah responded to questions from the floor.
Question 1: It’s heartening to know that you just cannot coerce someone into believing your beliefs, right? On any matter.
Now, I do want to ask a very controversial question, so what then the LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community) here or the sexual minority here?
I’d like your views on that because there are people who feel that just by being able to love the same sex goes against their religion or beliefs, but we don’t believe that.
Our own beliefs are such that we are answerable to God, yes, but let us be answerable to God. Thanks.
Moderator: YB Nurul can you… all right, we’ll have one more, just one more question, then she’ll answer both then take leave. Yes.
Question 2: I’m very happy to hear YB Nurul speak about freedom of religion. Does she actually apply that to Malays as well in terms of freedom of religion? That is number one.
Number two, I think it is a fallacy to believe that Egypt now is (in) a better condition than it was before. Everybody knows that it is getting worse.
I have a friend in Egypt and she is really not happy about what is going on over there, so I do believe YB is trying to promote the idea of an Islamic state, like you know this which is completely not true.
But mainly my question is, when you speak of freedom of religion, are you actually applying to the Malays as well? Thanks.
Moderator: Well YB Nurul, that’s a good way to start the morning.
The audience laughs.
Moderator: You have two questions of great import at two ends of the spectrum. Could you try to answer that, please.
Nurul Izzah: Thank you, Cyrus, I love too.
The audience laughs.
Nurul Izzah: Okay, so the first question. In terms of the sexual rights of LGBT, Tariq Ramadan addressed this question when IRF organised his programme, I think about three months back and I think, of course, you’re not just talking about Islam.
There are limitations and you know, implemented in Christianity with regards to people of – you know – LGBT, but one thing is important is you should not victimise anyone.
You should not also implement and you know, ensure the laws of the land encroach into private… uh.. into public space.I think that is the main underlying principle. But if you ask me whether, as a Muslim, I can accept, I think yes, you or whoever that, besides their particular sexual orientation.
Yes, in private you cannot enforce them certain regulation, etcetera. But as a Muslim, I also cannot accept and that is regulation of my faith and as well as my friends who are Catholic, etcetera.
I think here you want to make sure that they are not victimised, the current practise, whether how, through the Borders (bookstore) … sort of, err, how Jawi or Jakim at that time went to the Borders, some books etcetera, so the way it is practised does not respect and does not give any meaning for the sanctity of Islam, or any religion for that matter.
You must always use hikmah, so yes, I will say here, we have limitation, but certainly it should not be encroached into public space.
The second question with regards (to) what you think I’m trying to promote, I would correct that assumption. Yes, Egypt is undergoing a tumultuous process. It has not been resolved, there are many challenges they face.
I am not saying they have achieved a Utopian ideal view of a state and how it should be governed but I always take the development of the Muslim Brotherhood, in particular, from seen as a rather dogmatic Islamic movement come up with a political entity to meet the needs of the time and their relationship and collaboration with the Christian Coptic is something in particular that we have to observe and appreciate.
So if you say things are bad for Egypt, no. You, and we, must not be so judgmental and that is partly the society or the country that we have inherited that allows us to see things in black and white, whereas sometimes it is not as simple as that.
Sometimes in a stormy period, it is important for them to undergo and hopefully, because we wish for the best. We wish that they will have wisdom and finally manage the governance of the country itself.
But…
The bell rings.
Moderator: Okay, one more minute.
The audience laughs.
Nurul Izzah: Yes, umm, but the idea itself, I think, goes back. And when you ask me, there is no compulsion in religion, even Dr (Ahmad) Farouk (Musa) quoted that verse in the Quran.How can you ask me or anyone, how can anyone really say, ‘Sorry, this only apply to non-Malays.’ It has to apply equally… apply equally.
The audience applauds.
Nurul Izzah: In the Quran, there is no specific terms for the Malays. This is how it should be done. So I am tied, of course, to the prevailing views but I would say that.
So what you want is of course in terms of quality. You believe so strongly in your faith, that even me, being schooled in Assunta with a huge cross in the hall and an active singing Catholic society will not deter you.
The bell rings and the moderator thanks the speaker.
The audience applauds as Nurul Izzah leaves the hall.
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